These really arent personal. GROSS: Well, I want to play a song performed by The Highwomen, and the song is actually called The Highwomen, and its a song sung from the point of view of different women. She has performed as a member of the Texas Playboys, Thrift Store Cowboys, and Jason Isbell & the 400 Unit, as well as in a duo with Rod Picott. Amanda Shires has become a coveted presence at the intersection of nervy artistry and activism, folk and country acclaim, rock attitude and Nashville influence. Bergen is a reporter for Bloomberg Businessweek. In 2020, she penned an op-ed for Rolling Stone about why abortion rights matter. She was in her home recording studio with her fiddle and with guitarist Zach Setchfield, and they played a few songs. He still cant seem to notice when the dishwashers unloaded and all the dishes are put away. And Tommy said, if you can hold down that lower third harmony and Id love to, you know, have that spot filled. It was there I found, beside the Alamo, enchantment, strange as the blue up above. My daughter was about a year old, and I was getting into my touring van because I hadnt worked my way into a bus yet. Im going to play fiddle and Im going to sing in. GROSS: Well, I want to take a short break here. And I said, OK, well, Ill be the healer. I was lucky. Moon, in all your splendor. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. SHIRES: No, not until a couple of years ago. Isbell said everyone attending the bands shows would also be required to wear a mask. And that, to me, was incredible, because they had abortions in what was a pre-Roe v. Wade environment and theyre only now sharing their stories for the first time. And but I think for the players in the band, they took me seriously as a player. She makes the decision before it gets to the point where she makes a mistake, and I like that. Like, I know that in all of the searching that he did still believe that there was something bigger out there. It de-stigmatizes the conversation. And for a lot of folks, that can be the most boring part of the three-part string ensemble thing. And then more recently, just about a year ago, in August of 2021, you had an ectopic pregnancy. Since publishing my op-ed, Ive heard from some folks who are in their eighties. Upcoming Dates Past I would have died had this procedure not been available to me. And I was thinking about how much the stories matter. If you see my milk cow, please drive her on home cause I had no milk and butter no since my cows been gone. GROSS: Oh, thats so funny. SHIRES: I forced myself in that position. Her new album is called Take It Like A Man.. When we left off, we were talking about when Shires was 15 and started playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys, which used to be Bob Wills band. If writing came easier sober, playing live was terrifying at first, he says. Shires started playing fiddle professionally when she was 15 with the band the Texas Playboys, which used to be led by Bob Wills, the father of Western Swing. Cancelling shows feels awful, I know. GROSS: You know, youve said that a lot of the songs on this album come from a troubled period of your marriage to songwriter and singer Jason Isbell, who you perform with and who plays on this album. And (laughter) I, like, played the part. This is FRESH AIR. With artists and concert promoters nationwide forced to confront a surging spike in infections and hospitalizations attributed to the spread of the delta variant, Grammy award-winning musician, Jason Isbell, announced Monday that he and his band, the 400 Unit, will require concertgoers to provide proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test to attend all their future shows, whether they are held indoors or outdoors. And any policing will disproportionately affect people of color, low-income folks and other marginalized groups. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. The Grammy-winning singer, songwriter and guitarist from Green Hill, Ala., made headlines in 2021 for requiring proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative COVID test to attend his concerts. And I think theres more valuable strength there than there is in suppressing your emotions and poisoning yourself with your own feelings, I guess. Recognition has been building steadily; he won Song of the Year at the 2012 Americana Honors and Awards at the Ryman Auditorium last September for Alabama Pines. He calls his superb backing band the 400 Unit, after the psychiatric ward of a hospital near Muscle Shoals, the part of the state where he grew up. So since they are personal songs, you had to decide to say that. GROSS: That sounds really, really awful. SHIRES: Oh, yes, Mercy is my daughter. Youve been very outspoken about the right to have an abortion. In 2020, The Highwomen won Album of the Year at the Americana Music Honors and Awards ceremony. And then and the words are amazing and always brought me a smile. Thats, like, part of your identity on Twitter. Probably nobody enjoys it as much as I do, but its not a necessity for survival. And from there, he introduced me to Frankie McWhorter. Our guest will be Mark Bergen, author of the new book Like, Comment, Subscribe in which he reports on how YouTube ushered in a world of abundant content and creativity of influencers and online hustlers, of information overload and endless culture wars. Did you actually meet him? People forget that, if you take away access to reproductive healthcare, youre going to be killing moms like me. Here was my life five years ago, and heres my life now. And she was doing the bail bonding on the night. And Bob Wills was, like, the father of Western Swing, which combined country music and jazz. So did you ever visit her at work? On August 9, 2021 my fallopian tube ruptured. Amanda Shires is in Serious Trouble in Hawk for the Dove Fallon Performance Someone saw me sleeping naked in the noon sun. You dont see a lot of men speaking up, and every voice is helpful. Thank you for performing for us. And my hands are two empty cups. What does that phrase mean to you? The Truth About Amanda Shires And Jason Isbell - TheList.com Whereas before, I would just, in my mind, wish it was something different like Etta James or something. What didnt I say that could have helped change one mind? I cant live with the idea of not speaking up. The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time I heard witchcraft in the whispers and I knew my time had come. After trailing off there, she draws a thorny conclusion about the web of intimate, familial dependency: "Maybe being human is an orphaned condition and what's missing isn't what should be found. Well close with the opening track from Amanda Shires new album. In the past, white men have said otherwise. Related So what didnt you like about your voice? As it turns out, it did start some conversations within our own families. And these guys are in their 70s and 80s, and it was very much like hanging out with lots of granddads. AMANDA SHIRES AND JASON ISBELL: (Singing) Everythings going to be OK. Its going to be all right. The former Drive-By Truckers newfound sobriety, a recurring topic of discussion (and of his exceptional songwriting), may have cost him some of his sense of adventure, but it has undoubtedly focused his attention on his craft. Its all control.. And the reason I think that my grandmother knew is because also lately, we found out that my moms oldest sister isnt doesnt have the same dad as her, as my granddad. "Maybe it was circumstance, but I saw my chance and I took it," she boasts, her tone fuzzed-out by distortion. As they talked, Hearing Shires spell that out is invigorating. We just couldnt get along. When she paints a picture of motherhood in the subdued jangle-pop number "Charms," she doesn't dwell on its oft-idealized and sentimentalized facets. Thats the song Faultlines, performed by Amanda Shires with Zach Setchfield on guitar in Amandas home studio outside of Nashville, Tenn. Thats one of the songs on her new album, Take It Like a Man. So lets talk about that song a little bit. I dont feel like it matches whats going on inside my brain. I know the cost of flight is landing. You can call me serious trouble. Amid the rise in infections, it was reported last week that one of the worlds most prominent concert promoters, Live Nation, will allow artists performing at its venues to require guests in the U.S. to show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test. Also, during this time when I was leaving, I was thinking about how [my daughter] Mercy picked up a kazoo and she could play a kazoo. Jason Isbell and his wife, Amanda Shires, were walking around last weekend in Newport, Rhode Island, where they played the Newport Folk Festival. And it just worked when we did it. This happened to me two and a half weeks before Texas abortion ban went into effect. Is a chrysalis a butterfly? GROSS: The bail bondsmen are often their offices are often located in a very low-rent part of town. Life cant help but interfere. And it was a picture of hands holding on to nothing. So I couldnt really get into it. I mean, only just now nine months later, interestingly enough have I returned to having normal periods. It's a sentiment that Shires has echoed many times since. In a June 2022 follow-up, the artist detailed for Rolling Stone her experience of ending a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy in August 2021. And I remember the first time I sang ever, Leon Rausch had to hold my hand. ISBELL: (Singing) And all I could think to say was. Hearing these stories, I think that it makes your backbone stronger. I was doing fine, and then, I was just like no sound would come out of my mouth. And so I felt in my mind, I felt those things. SHIRES: I mean, I think theyre pretty good. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. And I was really into that.. And I thought if Im going to get any rest, Im going to have to do something about this. You slammed the door so hard I still hear rattling spoons. And you got your start professionally at age 15 playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys. Shires plays fiddle in her husband Jason Isbells band, Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit. And when I would write these songs, it was never in my mind, oh, I have to record them. I could just trust based on how Leonard Cohen did all that work for us. Thats the percentage of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 who have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the CDC. I hope you get well soon. Isbell responded, Thank you Aimee. If youre just joining us, my guest is Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. This is FRESH AIR. So by the time I went into the hospital, my fallopian tube had already ruptured. When youre trying to make a tough decision, you need a lot of support. It took Dave Cobb and it took Brandi and then it took Natalie [Hemby] and Maren Morris. He could still leave it dish in the sink, you know? GROSS: I think its time for another break. And, you know, she. It made me think, You know, I bet our grandmothers are more pro-choice than everybody leads us to believe.. SHIRES: Honestly, a lot of times, my thoughts come to me just in pictures. BRANDI CARLILE: (Singing) I was a Highwoman and a mother from my youth. Tax ID: 26-2810489, Copyright 2022 Fresh Air. Jason Isbell performs in Gulf Shores, Alabama. But I had about seven different album sequences going on. When I would write the songs, I dont know whats going to come out, but sometimes I was just so down that the only way I could get better was to take it out on writing a song., Shires sings and plays fiddle throughout this interview. What does he have to lose? I was learning orchestra and classical music in school and privately. A parking lot at night is a setting in which many women have learned to feel unsafe, to hurry about their business with heightened awareness that any strange figure approaching may have sinister intentions. So Im going to ask you to play one more song from your new album, to perform it for us. I guess for awhile youve been looking for the exit. Ive been around so many people for so long who were. And I said, yeah, I feel like theres not a lot happening there emotionally for me. So when I would write the songs, I dont know whats going to come out, but sometimes, it was so I was just so down that the only way I could get better was to take it out on writing a song. SHIRES: Oh, yeah. And then she wanted to know if it was real, so she hired a private investigator and all this. Trump Melts Down Over Murdoch Admitting Fox Lied About Election Fraud, If you say those things out loud, it makes a difference. People forget, Shires says. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. Refunds at point of purchase but were working on rescheduling. I know what the cost is in the octaves of consequence. Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. However, you can still listen with the Spotify or Apple Music playlist at the bottom of the page. I would she would set us up in the in the closet of the bail bonds office. Or did you keep the songs, like, kind of secret for a while? Become a member of WLIW ($5 monthly or $60 annually) and get access to WLIW Passport as our thanks for your support. But it was true. But this part of my life in our marriage was difficult. And sometimes, you know, you can, like, cup your hands and drink water from them or you could cup your hands and I dont know. You know, its Jimmy Webbs song originally, but. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. ", In the bruising roots rocker "Eve's Daughter," propelled by a tense groove and serrated, scraggy guitar riffs, Shires plays the part of a woman so desperate to expand her horizons and satisfy her hunger that she's unafraid to take risks in the name of escape. This is FRESH AIR. Click the audio link above to get the full experience, On channeling her feelings about her marriage into writing Fault Lines and showing it to Isbell, I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering, and this is after some kind of nebulous argument, and I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine, I said, I just wrote this song. And then in my mind I thought, Well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? And as it happened, eventually the auxiliary cable quit working in the van. During the #MeToo moment, much emphasis has been rightly placed on the need for women to guard themselves against the unrestrained appetites of male perpetrators. It was love at first listen, Shires says of the fiddle songs. We have to work hard now to mobilize and help people vote. And then in my mind I thought, well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? And I also went to Greece and hung out at his house. While Shires might not have set out to make an album that reminds us of the power of women pursuing their own impulses, desires and ambitions with abandon, that perspective enlivens this bracing 10-song set. And so I just had to get emergency surgery to remove the tube and clean the blood from inside of my body. And she would dance a little bit to the Beatles and stuff and started seeing the possibility that she might go into music one day. If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer and musician Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. Roberta Shorrock directs the show. I dont care if somebody wants to put a target on me. Some people are upset at the way iPhones charge. Im not joking. But if you dont, youre going to be wondering, What didnt I do? But I am living still. The Highwomen were tapped as last-minute fill ins, though founding member Amanda Shires was unable to attend as she continues to recover from an emergency Soon after a Supreme Court draft ruling that would overturn Roe v. Wade was leaked last month, Amanda Shires shared some personal news on social media. And it was a Carrie Underwood song from it was, like, six years before that or something. Editors picks It was keeping me up at night. The Grammy-winning singer, songwriter and guitarist from Green Hill, Ala., made headlines in 2021 for requiring proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative COVID test to attend his concerts. WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. SHIRES: Yes. And I said, I dont know. We try to have as much fun as possible singing a bunch of sad-ass songs, he said from the stage with one of the few grins hed allow himself. If you want a driver, climb inside or only want to take me for a ride, you know you can. She performs in several settings and has received awards in each of them. While the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made this Highwomen be a thing. I remember I used to think the force was strong with him, says Tompkins, who signed his first publishing deal when he moved to Nashville at 22. Also, during this time when I was leaving, I was thinking about how Mercy was you know, picked up a kazoo, and she could play a kazoo. I got up to sing, and I was like, oh, crap. SHIRES: Ive listened to all of his records. Shires new album, Take It Like A Man, includes several songs she wrote that came out of a difficult period in her marriage to Jason Isbell. GROSS: So we have to take another short break here, so let me reintroduce you. We found music, and then being in the Shoals area just gave us an early look at all the places music can take you. I hope youll join us. In 2016 I was going on the road. Why was that the verse that you wrote or sang for yourself? "Isn't it just like a daughter to make a fool of you? SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. And he said, well, you can always put it on there and just choose not to answer questions about it and, you know or you can he was pushing for me to leave Fault Lines on there because it is a good song, as he said. Too caught up in the way I want you rolling over me. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. And then, really, while the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made The Highwomen be a thing. And if you want a doctor, Ill examine every inch of you. This fight is about more than just abortion. And if anyone asks me, Ill say whats true I dont know. And I also want to thank Zack Sedgefield for playing guitar and also Diana Walsh, who engineered your end of the music and the conversation from your home studio in well, outside of Nashville. I dont have certain kinds of fatigue. And her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back after a short break. No more? But through the process of making the record and all the things that go with that, the hours and the tedium, it got easier for us to have conversations, not because we were doing the work of addressing the problems, but because we found common ground on something again, which has always been music and words.. Is there a song that you could play a Leonard Cohen song you could play an excerpt of for us in tribute to him since were both such great fans? Its as opposed to being in the uterus, where it belongs. And Empty Cups wasnt even the hardest one for me to put on there. Or is this through listening to his records that you feel like youre his disciple? I wouldnt go back and change it. Jason Isbell, Amanda Shires to Serve as Record Store Days 2023 Ambassadors. GROSS: OK. But anyway, he just grabbed my hand and held it. I was gifted as a girl. GROSS: Your mother earlier in her life worked as a bail bondsman, right? I hope that if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it causes such a fucking uproar that we end up with more rights than we had before. Former Drive-By Trucker is enjoying a breakout moment with new album 'Southeastern'. SHIRES: Oh, I would have had to find somebody to drive me to Mexico or somewhere else. So either you have surgery or I think you die. But one time, you know, not everybody could make a show. The players in the band, they took me seriously as a player, but they also understood that I was a kid.. And hes saying, you know, basically that hes going to support her and hes there for her. Boosted and very grateful for it., When a fan asked how his wife Amanda Shires and their daughter are feeling, Isbell answered, Mercy is negative with no symptoms and Amanda didnt come with me on this run, shes negative at home. Do you have you do a great version of Im Your Man, his song, Im Your Man, on YouTube. Long before weathering the isolating COVID-19 pandemic, Shires had endured years of studio experiences where producers and musicians undermined her And even on the charts, theres one spot usually I think in 2016, there was 13% representation of women to men on country radio, and now it still sits pleasantly at 16% on a good week. GROSS: Oh, I wish he could have heard you do it. After Isbell announced last week that he would require enhanced Covid countermeasures at his show in Austin, Texas, singer-songwriter Marc Broussard took to Twitter to lash out at Isbell, calling him bourgeois and elitist. Broussard asserted, Some working-class fans cant afford the risks associated with either the vaccines or even getting a test, adding, Id rather quit music than become a pawn in the pressure campaign. He did not provide any evidence of the risks he claimed were associated with getting the jab or receiving a test. For the latest news, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Yeah without you asking. You could say its all my fault. It was Fault Lines.. Will you look at me the same? On your Twitter, you describe yourself as a disciple of Leonard Cohen. And sometimes Tommy would show me stuff on guitar, like a melody to play, and then see if I could memorize it or retain it or whatever. The majority of people are in favor of womens reproductive rights and health; its others were trying to get to. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. So I started just taking notes on the radio because in 22 songs, [I heard] one womans voice and it was a Carrie Underwood song from six years before that or something. GROSS: What would the right voice for you like, whats wrong what doesnt match? Her study essentially proves that when folks cant have an abortion, it affects their mental health, their economic standing, their overall well-being. If you share your story or share your beliefs, youre going to get some haters and trolls. But theres a medication you can take that aborts the fertilized egg from your fallopian tube. They do tell you that going out and helping other people really helps you a lot. I said, itd be cool if I was The Highwomen or maybe had a band The Highwomen. (SOUNDBITE OF AMANDA SHIRES SONG, SWIMMER), GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Isbell took a stand, even facing backlash from his fellow artists. Amy Salit and Susan Nyakundi produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Yet, Isbell noted, the problem is that many of the venue owners are getting so much pushback from some of the governors of certain states who want to kowtow to their political base.. She gets pregnant and wants to have an abortion, although she doesnt feel great about it. / And the fear that I feel when I see my features reversed in my own daughter's face." When it reopened, he was in the first 200. Theyve ended shows with Neil Youngs Like a Hurricane or Van Morrisons Into the Mystic. Tonight its the Rolling Stones Cant You Hear Me Knocking, and its ecstatic. Its a great song, so I thought wed play some of it. My daughter was about a year old, and I was getting into my touring van because I hadnt worked my way into a bus yet. GROSS: Well, thank you for doing that. Im Terry Gross. Which brings up the question, why were Jason and I, and Margo Price, the biggest celebrities quasi-celebrities at the march in Nashville? The subject isnt talked about enough, Shires says. Not saying something is not helping. If we tell our stories, it helps other people feel empowered. Sign up for Rolling Stones Newsletter. The singer, songwriter and fiddler found comfort with an unexpected collaborator and plumbed new depths on her latest album, Take It Like a Man. Amanda Im your Amanda. Shed been learning to play classical music on the violin at school when her music teacher introduced her to some of Frankie McWhorters fiddle tunes. You can keep the car and the house. Theres not a lot of filler, not a lot of songs I would skip through, he says. GROSS: Yeah. And the other parts, youre just kind of asleep. Its an often-times divisive topic, and I dont want to bring any hurt to my family by doing something like putting out a song about this topic, but I lost all that fear when I got angry. SHIRES: I mean OK Im going to call her up after this, too. Recently, I had an ectopic pregnancy, she tweeted. GROSS: Amanda Shires, its been such a pleasure to talk with you. The election is November 8. All rights reserved (About Us). And I was reading mine. Ive found and scrounged and continue to for every interview that hes done in any form, in any language. SHIRES: Well, myself and Brandi wrote the song. SHIRES: (Singing) Im scared to even say the truth. Amanda Shires opens her new album To the Sunset with a strikingly different scenario. Its not more threatening than the idea of taking away the services and the work that doctors and nurses do. And I know I can take it like a man. I laid hands upon the world. Why not? And hed play songs, and Id learn them. 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