So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. NG was :>the realization of that potential. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. ". They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. Can it really compete with Rupert? Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. So is Ziegler lying? Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. 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Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. WebSynopsis. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Again. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! But which'party' is Bill referring to? Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< the mask get on his pillow? The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." She helps Bill at the > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. > the same time, being simple and concrete. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. Same voice. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Put on some headphones and listen. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Same voice. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? Orgy? Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. --Napoleon. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. 2. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice 0. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. Mandy was not the same woman. <<<<<<<<. 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